Teaching dialogue between Monika and Nityaananda about the importance of Telugu as a key part of the ancient knowledge from the palm leaf manuscripts (originally broadcast on May 21, 2015).



Nityaananda: Namaste and welcome to this special Guruday satsang. I'm Nityaananda at the Divine Healing Center in Laytonville, California.  


Monika: Welcome everyone this is Monika. Yes, on this Guruday, Telugu awareness, in Telugu Awareness month.  

Nityaananda: And this evening, a beautiful topic that really is the knowledge itself actually, the importance of Telugu and unlocking the knowledge is implying the importance of the knowledge and actually that is so much of the greatness of that language isn't it, the knowledge that it contains in parts.  
Monika: So I'd like to read a quote from Swami, from Sri Kaleshwar, about the knowledge. "My mission and my aim is to bring a new kind of spirituality that creates happiness in every person's heart to change the world's belief system and the way spirituality is practiced in the world. To make your life a divine message to this planet and to create spiritual masters not students. This is the first time in spiritual history to receive this type of miracle energy. Not only receiving the energy but practically seeing with your eyes the inner mechanism that's running in miracles. Then, one part it makes a clear idea how the incredible healing ability works, how the energy flows and how it really affects action to reaction. Nobody in the universe explained the inner mechanism of miracles, of healings. How it really acts, how it really works, how it's possible to bring your own energy up to connect with Mother Divine. This complete inner feelings knowledge, almost all 99% percent of my life I gave to Mother Divine to prepare and give out the inner mechanism of the healing miracles. God means miracle energy, supernatural ability. If He had no miracle energy, we couldn't call him God. That's why we are calling him God. That's why we are calling him great. We all came from that greatness but we are ignoring our own greatness. We feel we're in the darkness, no way. There's an unbelievable huge light hidden in us. Through certain processes, you have to bring that energy up then everything will be possible for you to recognize yourself. Once you recognize yourself, then you can recognize the highest divine souls in the universe. Through your energy you can prepare that channel yourself to connect to and make a relationship bond with any divine soul.
Nityaananda: The words of Sri Kaleshwar. An amazing summary in a way of what the knowledge leads to, what the knowledge holds when we talk about the knowledge as a whole.  
Monika: Really he was talking how to create a new generation of divine souls, of healing souls, of souls who bring peace, and love, and healing, and carry that energy in the world. And of course when we say healers, we're really referring to characters like Jesus and Mary and Buddha and Shirdi Baba and all those great divine souls who really have used this knowledge and brought that energy to the world throughout history. And you know, we're talking...It's a very interesting...We've been talking these last satsangs is a little... We're getting bits and pieces of new knowledge, of new information about things, we brought up Kapila Rishi for example. 

Nityaananda: About big pieces of... That are connected to the knowledge. 

Monika: Yes. To give us a bigger picture of the knowledge and so we're putting all those pieces bit by bit together. And Swami said “Science and spirituality is going to becoming together in this age." So more of that science will help us to understand really this big, big, big story. Right now science only believes we lived and civilization started...  

Nityaananda: A few thousand years ago.  
Monika: Few thousand years ago but...  
Nityaananda: Like less than ten, whatever.  
Monika: Right. For example this is Swami's answer to when asked about when did the knowledge first come? He said "Hundreds of millions of years back. You can't exactly identify where in the kala chakra. A clock you fixed it, today is Monday tomorrow Tuesday, Wednesday now the time is 11 o'clock afternoon, 12 o'clock. But in Her creation, a second is enough to Her. That's enough. There's no beginning and no ending."  
Nityaananda: Right. So the knowledge that is being referred to is, it's the original knowledge really.  

Monika: Considering the immortal knowledge.  
Nityaananda: They see immortal knowledge, right, exactly. It's so old that it's past not just lifetimes or generations or whole societies coming and going, but ages coming and going are like blinks of an eye.  
Monika: Yeah.  
Nityaananda: What a great boon it is that knowledge still exists. 

Monika: Yes.  
Nityaananda: I mean, not all of it exists. We know that at least a third of the knowledge according to Sri Kaleshwar has already been destroyed and it doesn't really matter to talk about that right now. What matters is that there is two thirds of the knowledge still remaining. And when he referred to the knowledge, he referred to the entire encyclopedia of what human beings know and practice through any potential, any lifetime.  
Monika: And really that's the point that it does exist now. And really our efforts, we're doing Telugu Awareness Month and we're doing a fund raising for five beautiful souls to go and study Telugu and really, it's a small effort but it's a big effort. We are paving the road for future generations. It's not for... We're making the inroads right now and it is the future generations that will, as we establish all of this, that they will then be able to come in and of course, these are beautiful divine souls that are coming, the Jesus generation. Who knows what souls these... Who these souls are.  
Nityaananda: Right. And what they will do and demonstrate.  
Monika: And how many have actually written this stuff and come back and they're going to help us understand. It's a big, big mystery and so, we're here now in this land and right now, it's of course, we know that Swami had said that knowledge originated first in America then took root in India and now has to come back again to the West in a cycle.  
Nityaananda: To go back again around the world. Exactly, it's a cycle. It's a beautiful birth cycle, isn't it?   
Monika: Yeah, and it is also a cycle that has to go out to all of humanity and be accessible to all of humanity.  
Nityaananda: Yes.  
Monika: And that's...  
Nityaananda: That is the point, actually. That is the point.  
Monika: And make it so it's understandable, accessible, usable and that it will help to raise the consciousness of the world and really give the souls, as Swami said, "It's miraculous healing energy" is really what the knowledge is about, opening up to the divine God energy, that flowing through you and being that instrument in the world to create divine things and create a loving, peaceful society."  
Nityaananda: Release suffering and bring light into places of darkness. This is the time that is happening. This is the time for this knowledge. It's quite remarkable that we're sharing this together on the planet.  
Monika: It is. It is. It's a thrill as anyone of us who's been studying the knowledge knows, it's a thrill to learn and to discover. And it's a thrill also to be getting these pieces now about uncovering things and...  
Nityaananda: Well, let's talk a little bit about who brought the knowledge. This knowledge was written by human beings, seers and saints, rishis really, maharishis. You know just the most...  
Monika: Saptarishis.  
Nityaananda: Saptarishis, yeah. Just these amazing characters fulfilling their potential and human lifetime and connecting with the Divine directly and ultimately, the Mother giving this... This is knowledge that is directly coming from the Mother, our Mother, our Divine Mother. Let's talk about those seers. Vivekananda is so great, I don't have the quote in front of me but in one of the volumes of collected words, he talks about this, really talks a lot about this, where the knowledge came from, and says that they were discoverers, they discovered the knowledge. There's nothing about inventing, making up, creating how we look at things today. We're always assigning a doer-ship and a value in that doer-ship to who's associated with it, but in this is actually a very selfless path…In a way passive although it took unbelievable sacrifice and dedication and commitment and whole lifetimes committed. But still they're receiving and passing through in a very pure way what they are discovering. It is because they're great discoverers, the Saptarishis.  
Monika: Exactly. It's really that they were the ancient scientists that were delving into the mysteries of life to discover who we are and what's our purpose here and what is the nature? What is reality? What is life and death? And how to live this life? And they really sacrificed themselves and received it in consciousness. And actually, Swami gave a beautiful quote about that, to understand really how they were in terms of that.  
Nityaananda: Yes. Sri Kaleshwar's words about this, "What the ancient people wrote is absolutely right. Nowadays, suppose an author writes a book, it's his own thoughts. Previously, each letter, each word, they put with their real heart and with the energy and a prayer. They meditated unbelievably, then they wrote it. Huge research, they put in the books, otherwise, they wouldn't mention it. That is the greatness of the Indian Vedas." And here's Swami is really referring to that whole Vedic tradition including Mahabharata, Ramayana, and all Puranas, Upanishada, unbelievable tradition there.  
Monika: Yes, and we'll talk a little bit about that because really, it's also the ancient knowledge that we're talking about from the palm leaves that he also called the Fifth Veda and we know there are four Vedas and... But, actually, when we're talking about the rishis, one of the thing that we should also know, and this is kind of, this is an interesting... This is also interesting for us because we don't often think of women as rishis.  
Nityaananda: Right, exactly. Where are the women?   
Monika: Where are the women? Well, they were definitely there and they were participating. And it was in Vedic times, boys and girls received, both received equally...  
Nityaananda: Yeah.  
Monika: Initiation and knowledge.  
Nityaananda: And training.  
Monika: And training. And there are incredible women that are spoken of Maitreyi and Gargi. In the Rig Veda, there are women seers and teachers, divine speakers like, Romasa, Lopamudra, Vishvavara, Apala, Ghosha, Aditi. And, of course, in our more modern times, we have to include Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene, because Mary Magdalene was working very closely with Jesus on palm leaf books and on the knowledge.  
Nityaananda: Right.  
Monika: She was a quite an extraordinary student from what Swami said. So, we also need to think of the women of that time because in the same way that we lost the awareness of Mother Divine we've also lost the awareness of the greatness of women's contribution in this and the importance now of bringing that back and this is one of Swami's big mission that, he said to create powerful young girls, a generation of women that receive this and also contribute and get the same opportunities as the boys.  
Nityaananda: Yeah, the true knowledge, it automatically brings back into proper balance the schism really, this imbalance of male and female energy, and this, not even un-appreciation, I don't know really what the word is there, it's almost a complete misconception, in many ways about women and the role of women in this creation. So, this knowledge, every page of it will be about that. Even though there's a lot of knowledge about different aspects of the creation, the underlying philosophical context, like the bigger picture story that this knowledge tells is what will change the world really. It's the big picture things and beginning with the appreciation of the feminine energy, divine feminine energy, the Mother... This is coming from the Mother, it's all about the Mother. The rishis, the great saints, everyone is researching her. Kumbha Mela, millions of sadhus coming together, they're all coming together to reach her. So this knowledge is really that, about her.  
Monika: So, as we're seeing, the history has been washed over and what we believe about things is very, it's not truth.  
Nityaananda: No, no it's just very, quite limited.  
Monika: But now, it is time for that to come back out. And of course, this knowledge, which is... It's so vast, I mean it's very interesting when we look at the Vedas, themselves. There's some scholars date them as old as, 12,000 BC. Right?   
Nityaananda: Right. That is the body of knowledge which is so complex and beautiful, and poetic, and voluminous, is even today is science. We call scholars based on today's understanding of science, that approach, even that is saying that that came into being 12,000 years ago, actually no, 14,000 years ago. So right there, it really pokes a hole on this whole idea. We think about what was the planet looking like, what did humanity look like in the planet 12,000, 14,000 years ago anywhere on the planet, you won't generally, commonly get the picture in today's belief system that, that looks like, scholars connecting and composing epic treaties and expositions and dialogues on the nature of God and consciousness itself. So, we really, even by today's science, we can say... Wait a minute, there's something wrong in this story, we actually are, misrepresenting our understanding of time here.  
Monika: Yes, exactly. So when you start to think like that and of course at that time it was all oral tradition, because the minds of people in this were... They had good memories, probably Kali Yuga is not that and as we know, thank God for recording devices.  
Nityaananda: That's right.  
Monika: It wasn't that way, it was an oral tradition. But then Veda Vyasa, who's a very important figure in our lineage, amazing, amazing rishi. And actually I think...  
Nityaananda: And even greater than we know, I mean through the estimation of our guru, master, teacher, Sri Kaleshwar or Veda Vyasa is even more than the world knows and the world knows a lot of great things about this sage.  
Monika: Right and it's hard to imagine really; he's an incarnation of Vishnu and what he did was, he took all of these voluminous Vedas, and we're looking at over 60,000 pages of things, and then he categorized them 'cause it was all in one and then he split them into four and then he made subcategories of them. Just imagine that right? And he... Because he said, "Not one student can understand all of these things." And it was how to get the knowledge, again it's how they keep taking care of the knowledge and finding ways that the society of the time can use it.  
Nityaananda: What is appropriate and what is possible for the humanity of the time on the planet?   
Monika: And that's what he did, he took that and of course what's interesting is he had the help of Ganesh, and Ganesh actually was his scribe, Ganesh, because he was the fastest writer.  
Monika: You just gotta imagine this.  
Nityaananda: He has a lot of talents.  
19:46 Monika: He was able to pull Ganesh and they had this... Ganesh is the one who wrote down everything. So then he not only did that, then what he did, 'cause he wanted to write stories, so that the teachings could be understood by the masses and to do that he wrote the Mahabharata. And so that was a story of all his characters and about right and wrong and dharma and good and evil and how to live your life in a story that people would keep... The society would keep playing and learning these things, so he wrote the Mahabharata and then he wrote 18 puranas including the Devi Bhagavata and the Shiva Puranas and the Vishnu Puranas and...  
Nityaananda: It's beyond supernatural there.  
Monika: It's beyond supernatural.  
Nityaananda: I mean he wasn't using any apps there.  
Monika: He didn't have a computer?   
20:46 Nityaananda: No dictation or filing systems. This is really consciousness work but also it's consciousness being translated into the five elements because the results of his understanding that... That great rishi's understanding of the body of knowledge called the Vedas that was done through his consciousness but then that was translated into something that survives today. All the things we're talking about, sharing, survived today as came through him. He would say... He was also taking dictation, right, he was receiving the information.  

Monika: Well I think he was receiving and Ganesh was dictating, and Ganesh was writing, yeah.  

Nityaananda: Was writing, yeah. And actually there's other stories in the palm leaves like that too where... I imagine that the way Swami talked about the way Mary Magdalene worked with Jesus in palm leafs, I imagine that kind of thing there in collaboration. But others, like there's a beautiful story of Guru Raghavendra with his master and his master studying a palm leaf book, and Guru Raghavendra being called to come hold the light, the oil lamp, so that he could read that in the night and then standing hours and hours and hours. That story is representing a transmission of energy and knowledge also happening in that relation. We heard Swami saying, "Everything is action reaction." So anything involving the palm leaf manuscripts, anything involving the ancient knowledge, the true knowledge actually. It's ancient even when it's new because it really isn't new, it's knowledge of this creation as it exists, and if it exists that knowledge exists. Anything about that is a soul thing, it's a soul... It's happening at the level of the soul. So Veda Vyasa giving dictation, he's receiving the information, he's passing it to Ganesh.  
Monika: He's talking to Ganesh and then Ganesh is writing it down. You can imagine how fast Ganesh was writing?   
Monika: If we look at those palm leafs, you would see a palm leaf and you really see how they could even write that tiny, or draw those beautiful yantras that small, it's a miracle thing in and of itself besides the patience and dedication and concentration and all of that.  
Nityaananda: And sacrifice, I mean those seers, the rishis writing the palm leaves, they're not relaxing with 'The Voice' at night. They're not. They're on their duty actually and in way that it's really hard for us to understand and one of the ways that we can give gratitude to that is to learn more and to give credibility. Find out more, that's one thing Swami loved to say, "Research for yourself, find out for yourself, find out more." Because the truth is addictive, it's so magnetic. Once you have a taste of it, you find something out. For instance, let's go a little bit more into just what the... How these divisions of the knowledge that Veda Vyasa turned out... How did he organize...  
Monika: How did he... Well...  
Nityaananda: How was it organized? Because I'm sure he would say, "Don't say I did it." The whole point about that is understanding the role that we play between the divine and the creation.  
Monika: Yeah. Can you imagine taking all of this and then finding a way to organize that. We know how challenging that is to organize any kind of mass of information.  
Nityaananda: Like the teaching of Sri Kaleshwar.  
Monika: Right. Exactly. And that's...  
Nityaananda: The Fifth Veda.  
Monika: The Fifth Veda. But it's just purely miraculous, a miraculous consciousness. So there are four Vedas that he divided into. The Rigveda, in the Rigveda, it's really invoking a lot of deities, and the Gāyatrī written by Vishwamitra is found in the Rigveda. So that makes sense, connecting to Mother Divine, connecting to Gāyatrī there. And then, the Yajurveda, it talks about performing Yagnas and different ceremonies, and gives much information along those lines.  
Nityaananda: So that's where all these rules and dikshas and stuff for pujas come from?   
Monika: Yeah.  
Nityaananda: Tons of different pujas.  
Monika: Right. And who knows what else.  
Nityaananda: Right. Exactly. Who knows what...We're not experts here.  
Monika: No, we're not experts at that.  
Nityaananda: This is an overview.  
Monika: In the Sama-Veda, which is musical chants that bring peace to the mind. But the Veda that's very key to us is the Atharvaveda... Atharvaveda, excuse me. And that's the one that Swami said, basically, was what much of the... A lot of the knowledge that we are...  
Nityaananda: It's active now on the planet. This is the time for the Atharva.  
Monika: Right. And that he gave out and it's mostly mantras and the yantras. It's the asta siddhis and khandana yoga and parakaya pravesh. It's how to protect against negativity and evil, and suffering and hardship, and cures for diseases and prolonging life, and fulfilling desires. It's vast, obviously much more than we know. But it was, he said the bulk of what... A lot of what he gave had to do with the Atharva Veda.  
Nityaananda: Yes. That's right. And the Parameshwari palm leaf manuscript, many people listening will remember, 'cause one program, Swami did a process and shared a yantra that looks like Nandi. And I think many people did that process, and actually I think everyone received a copy of that yantra. And in that yantra, if you have that, you can look at the bottom of it, there's a table of four columns, and if you can read Telugu, you can read what those words are. And basically it lists the Vedas across one column, and then it lists qualities of the Vedas down that, or qualities of the time, actually... Actually Yugas, sorry. It lists Yugas across, and then one of the columns under each Yuga is which Veda is most appropriate for that Yuga. And then there's other qualities there too. But anyway, just to free associate that, that's a way to link right now to the knowledge the way Swami shared it directly from the palm leafs.  
Monika: Right. So that.  
Nityaananda: And it's really simple Telugu to do that. If you can read a three or four letter word, you can read Kali, Traita, Vapara, Sacha, the Yugas. So this is the time... This is really the time of the formula. It just is that material time. But look at that list of sayings. Wow. A student of Swami Kaleshwar recognizes that. And this is a description. This is more kind of general description of the Atharva Veda. This is not... That's a summary.  
Monika: That's a summary. Is that all the 16 powers...  
Nityaananda: A general understanding.  
Monika: The 16 powers that Jesus had.  
Nityaananda: From that Veda.  
Monika: From that Veda. And originally when he gave out the information of the Jesus book, he said, "Find that, find the information about the Atharvaveda." And we couldn't... It was very hard...  
Nityaananda: It is hard.  
Monika: This was before the days of the Internet...  
Nityaananda: Yeah. Yeah. You're dating yourself.  
Monika: And it sounds like it was another Yuga.  
Nityaananda: Yeah. But that was the 1990s, late 1990s, early 2000s.  
Monika: Yeah. Exactly. So it wasn't that easy to find information like that. In Bangalore, for example, we tried. But again, we have a lot of research to do.  
Nityaananda: Yes, we do.  
Monika: And put these pieces together. Swami left a lot of clues, and so... Actually I'd like to go a little bit more into that. So what Veda Vyāsa did, is he... First with the four Vedas, and then subdivided that. And it's very interesting, 'cause it's called Aranya Das. And that's another aspect, and it was taught in the forest academies by the great rishis, and we know that Aranya Das means forest. And what happened in the forest was a very big... The rishis did a lot of their training in the forest, and...  
Nityaananda: Yeah. Aranya Das means devotee or follower, like devotee of the forest. But the forest of pure nature places is where the knowledge...Where the rishis live, and where the serious students come and receive that, and practice. So Aranya Das is a subcategory of the Vedas.  
Monika: Let's see there was the Upanishads another subcategory of that. And then what's very interesting is they're called the four Mahavakyas which are the four great statements. One of the statements is 'Aham Brahmasmi', which we know very well, Swami spoke of it often. And all the Upanishads are about these four Mahavakyas. And each of those are linked to one of the four Vedas. So, these statements that we have heard 'Aham Brahmasmi', 'Tat Tvam Asi', 'Prajnanam Brahma', and 'Ayam Atma Brahma.' All of these statements are linked to each of the Vedas. So, you could see he organized it in an incredible way and so that's where we get all of that information that's what... Anyway you could see the influence to us. It's a little brief understanding, but then we have, of course, wait a minute, we need to go into, then we have the 'Palm Leaf' knowledge because there's still so much more that is not and like he said, there is so much more knowledge than what's even in the Vedas, even what was put in the Vedas a lot of it was even left out. So, it's the 'Palm Leaf' knowledge is a whole other body of knowledge.  
Nityaananda: Which is largely hidden knowledge, it's coming out now, but it's complementary, it's from the same source you could say, although it's outside of the historical story that the world knows, but it doesn't mean that it didn't exist, it's a very, very old, and Sri Kaleshwar is the bringer of that, he is the messenger of that knowledge to the modern world. His knowledge exists, here's some of it, see for yourself, that's pretty much it. Thousands of students during his lifetime did that and did see for themselves, and are continuing to see for themselves, but that was just a taste of the knowledge. We don't know where all the knowledge is, but, it exists. And actually this is the time that the knowledge will come out and that's actually another kind of message which crosses ancient cultural boundaries and traditions and stories and mythology, that there's a time when all the secret knowledge comes to the world and that is the transformation of the world from... And is in a time of great chaos, these are kind of archetypal stories including in the East and this is exactly the time that we live in now.  
Nityaananda: We may not feel like, "Wow, this is a time of the great darkness and chaos." I'm driving my car and watching my TV, and have my bank account and whatever. It doesn't seem like fire and brimstone, but from the point of view of the soul, from the point of view of karmas it is fire and brimstone. The misguided understanding or complete lack of understanding of what is true and what is not has never been...  
Monika: What is good and what is not good.  
Nityaananda: What is good, yeah, right judgment. Judgment is missing, this is the time. And it's great news for everybody on the planet, all the souls in the planet, this is the time that this knowledge is going to come out, it is.  
Monika: Well, the fact that we are speaking this way over the air waves and this knowledge is now already on the computer and souls have already been learning this and practicing this in a public way for the last 20 years almost, it shows you, first of all it shows you Swami's greatness, here as Veda Vyasa made his contribution to the knowledge to bring it out to the people now then Swami came. He taught westerns which is... Many of whom didn't even know the basics of things and so...  
Nityaananda: I'm one of those.  
Monika: Yeah.  
Nityaananda: I didn't know Shiva from Vishnu from Mother Divine. Thank you Gurujii.  
Monika: Thank you. He's like, okay, this would never have happened in the ancient times because of rishis, in order to be, with the rishis you had to be, you had to know these things. And yet that was Swami's contribution and now we're taking the next step to how we bring it out and how we're giving it to the world and so the next step is happened with that and that's why people learning Telugu, it's a really great thing.  
Nityaananda: Yes, it is. It is, Telugu is... I mean there's more knowledge than we know about for sure. So, but the knowledge that we do know about is a knowledge of Telugu and not only the Telugu language but the Telugu culture, the humanity it's expressed, the uniqueness that it's expressed through that language is really, really like Swami called it, it's a knowledge of the heart. So, the knowledge is like poetry 'cause the reality things cannot be spoken about except in poetry.  
Monika: Yeah, actually. Well, Ramakrishna and I, today, we're talking a little about Sanskrit and Telugu because actually Swami said Telugu is older than Sanskrit, and which again that would be something that they're beginning to talk about.  
Nityaananda: It has to be discovered. I mean, the proof of that has to be discovered.  
Monika: Right. It's through science.  
Nityaananda: Exactly.  
Monika: But in fact, you said it was the...How did you describe it Ramakrishna? You described it, it was...  
Ramakrishna: Well, you mean the language of Telugu?   
Monika: Yes, that it was not anywhere found... It wasn't found anywhere.  
Ramakrishna: Yeah, they don't have any historical written Telugu inscriptions past 565 AD. They know it existed the farthest that I guess it's... I don't know if it's science or scholars really or archeology..., is 300 BC is as far back as it can go that they can say it was written on some manuscripts or something.  
Nityaananda: Stone inscription probably.  
Ramakrishna: Yeah. But before that, they knew it was a living language but they don't know the date of how old it was.  
Nityaananda: Right. Well, actually it is traditionally. It was only in the modern age that it became kind of written codified thing, strangely enough. Not strangely, I mean it's beautifully enough. It was a British person, CP Brown who made it kind of his life's work. He was a collector in India and he was part of the... In Great Britain, was occupying the country and he was part of that occupation structure but his connection with the language of Telugu was so profound that he really is acknowledged pretty much by everybody as of saving the language because it wasn't really, it was written... There was a lot of palm leaves and things but so much of the language was not ever written down. It was...There was so many dialects...There still are dialects all over AP state. And different ways, it's so...  
Ramakrishna: He's the first one to write a dictionary.  
Nityaananda: Right. And that dictionary is pretty much is the source dictionary. It's the standard dictionary, written in the 1820s, 1840s. But anyway, our understanding of how things are proof of something is this kind of evidence. Like about language, proof of it is that it exists in something. Well, that's true actually until we have other ways of understanding proof. But in this instance, we do need other ways to understand it because the Telugu language, it's codifying the vibrational code that the creation is made of. If you look at there's a Yantra in the Paramashiva yoga book of the Mother showing her sat chakras, and inside of those chakras is all vibrations, all letters. And if you know the Telugu alphabet, you can actually, you get an idea that you can read that yantra because you see a lot of just simple Telugu letters, they're bijaksharas. So in a way, the Telugu language which is very similar, this Telugu and Sanskrit in this way both, their very alphabet is the formulaic code of the vibrational make-up of the creation of the Mother, how the Mother creates this creation.  
Ramakrishna: That's exactly right. I remember that moment, I realized that was... Because we've been studying that palm leaf for some years, and have been learning Telugu in the highest yantra, the Diamond Yantra which is the top yantra of that book, and top yantra in the spiritual pinnacle apparently. It has the Telugu alphabet around it and...  
Nityaananda: The petals around it are, a, aa, e, ee, o, oo...  
Ramakrishna: Yeah. That is exactly the Telugu...  
Nityaananda: Although there are, there is some little code things there, right?   
Ramakrishna: But I was still at the level of not understanding the yantra. It was still a very a new thing and I remember I asked Swami. I was like, "This is the Telugu alphabet around this?" And he looked at me and he smiles like, "Yes!" [chuckle] I was like, "Oh. Oh, I'm supposed to get something. Oh, I got that." The alphabet itself is part of the top yantra that humanity has found or created or whatever.  
Nityaananda: Right. And as an aside, but it's really not that much, science is now showing things... There's a lot of study is... A lot more study has gone into the language of Sanskrit. And modern science, neuroscience is really showing that learning and practicing Sanskrit does change the way the brain functions and actually makes the brain much more fully active and involved and balanced. So the Sanskrit language itself is good for the brain. And you can say the same thing for Telugu for sure because it's the same sound.  
Ramakrishna: Same alphabet.  
Nityaananda: Exactly. It's the same sound, the formulas, the letters are representing vibrations that we create. And so, science will catch up and this will happen and it's exciting. You can see how, why we are putting this attention and this focus and priority on simply learning the basics of a language.  
Monika: Now, Ramakrishna when we were talking, you had said that Telugu is different from any other language even Sanskrit. And how is that exactly?   
Ramakrishna: Well, I read an article where they were, they study phre... Not phrenology, phonology, the study of sounds...  
Monika: Study of sounds.  
Ramakrishna: And the evolution of different, of a language basically. And that they couldn't find any other language, at least in human history that we have recorded, that Telugu had any similarity or...With at all.  
Nityaananda: You seem to be coming out of...  
Ramakrishna: Yeah. They said the closest language...The closest thing they can find on the planet to match that, whatever those rules are, of Telugu, is bird's song. It's the song, and the way...  
Monika: Bird song.  
Ramakrishna: Yeah, the way birds sing.  
Monika: That's the closest thing. It's like...  
Nityaananda: Kila-kila-lu.  
Ramakrishna: Yeah.  
Monika: I mean really how amazing is that, that it's coming...  
Ramakrishna: Yeah, it's from the nature. I mean it's...  
Monika: Exactly.  
Nityaananda: Oh Swami would love that. I mean he would just say "Yes". When his father asked him how he knew these omnipresent things, just knowing what was happening with just... Like mind reading or whatever it is. Swami's answer was, "I listen to the wind." So, listen to the nature. I mean, that gets so close to... That's the Mother... That's directly the Mother talking.  
Ramakrishna: That's why it's so hard for us to grasp proof of this knowledge, or the efficacy of this knowledge because it's not that mind-oriented thing. It's that soul-oriented thing we're talking about. It's from that level, feeding that.  
Monika: Right. And why there's so much poetry. It's poetry.  
Nityaananda: It is. The great works in Telugu are poems. I mean, they're Vedic. Krishnadevaraya, who is a great emperor, king-warrior was also an amazing Telugu scholar and poet and wrote one of the five great works in Telugu all in 34 or less years, just unbelievable. Again, it's like a Veda Vyasa character, where are they getting their creative energy? How is it that they can do that? How is it to create like that? And it comes through the knowledge of they were talking about. That's where that comes from.  
Monika: It's really in touch with the miracle energy and that's... Then when you are in touch with that, all these things happen, and that's how they did it. Otherwise, it's impossible.  
Nityaananda: And we're coming into an age like that because this is not belonging to just a certain caste or caste or level of education or whatever it is. It's humans. It's the birthright of humanity. It's the potential. The knowledge is really expressing the potential that every soul that comes in as a human being has to realize on this planet.  
Monika: To realize that light hidden in them and each person has that. And you just need something to find that, and that's what it is.  
Nityaananda: So, we've had little longer satsang then we might've anticipated, but actually we could keep going on. It's a wonderful subject. We're very grateful for everyone who has joined and shared your energy with us in this way this evening, or when you might listen to this in the future. And again, we'll ask heartfully to support with your love, and your prayers, and your good wishes this effort and all efforts to bring appreciation and understanding of Telugu as a language into our lives, which means into the West. And in particular, the mastery of that language with the sankalpam, the intention and ambition to be... To understand more about the knowledge itself and share that with the world. Go to and search for the word 'Telugu'. I don't know the URL. [chuckle] Thank you again. God bless. Jai.  
Monika: God bless, everyone.  


About Monika Penukonda, Sri Kaleshwar said:

“Monika belongs to the Divine Mother, Kanaka Durga’s, feet. She is a Divine Ma on the planet. She’ll walk and give a lot of wisdom and clarity to bloom wisdom. This lady will bless millions of people on the planet. She’s going to do it.”  

Monika is the author of Kaleshwar, and a modern rendering of the Sri Sai Satcharitra, The Wonderful Life and Teachings of Shirdi Sai Baba. She was the editor of Sri Kaleshwar’s books, including The Real Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ and Shirdi Sai Baba - The Universal Master. 


Nityaananda (Clint Thompson, MD)

is a physi­cian who trained directly for 15 years with Sri Kalesh­war until his mahasamadhi in 2012.  He resides at the Divine Lin­eage Heal­ing Cen­ter in Lay­tonville, Cal­i­for­nia and gives teach­ings, heal­ings and healing energy trans­mis­sions around the world.

Nityaananda is the author of The Awareness of Healing.


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